Fixed that for you. I'd suggest waiting until we see that these T3 destroyers bring before passing final judgement. Maybe they have bonuses cancelling the penalty of these weapons? If that's the case, they'd be awesome.

Math just points that they will be irrelevant on almost nay scenario. The Stimatic Pulse lasers and AC do LESS damage at worse ranges than normal blasters. Why would anyone use those?

The only ones we will see used are blasters.. and only against structures and frigates killing larger ships in swarms on very very controlled scenarios.

WOW! I seriously have to wonder sometimes about EVE community! It's freaking facepalm worthy! All of you are more obsessed with the freaking name of the modules instead of the functionality!

Finally we got the name out of the way...now people can move on to the MORE IMPORTANT aspect of these new modules!? THE FREAKING FUNCTIONALITY! Again a 18 - 20% increase in base DPS is not going to do us any good when we get a huge penalty to our resistances. Meaning our entire tank is nulled out and returned back to ZERO!

In all the name changes has the stats changed at all on sisi?

*** Update, the latest version will be on Singularity on 29/10 ***

Yes they will. What they won't do is replace existing guns as the main weapon of choice. Their general usefulness will also go down with the ship size increase, since larger ships have to rely much more on raw tanking ability. Even with them you'll still find some odd potential use cases like the lvl 3 mission blitzing mach. I mean if your non-existant tank isn't stressed and only the speed+DPS combo matter, why not choose to reduce your tank in exchange for even more performance in the areas that matters.

Another idea might be that Polarized Guns are always heated. They will always create heat in the highslots when used, and they will always get damaged. Not at the rates normal weapons would get damaged, so they don't get burned out after 20-30 volleys.

But they would certainly be unsuitable for prolonged engagements. Also, while shooting with them, you could ofc not repair any modules as you're heating something.


That way you wouldn't have to drop all resistances to zero in order to 'balance' them. Maybe give them a penalty,similar like shield boost amplifiers have, that all other modules generate more heat, too.


Edit: Maybe even add Laser-like reload mechanics where you swap ammo instantly?

Honestly, this sounds more like a rig to me than a module.

Say, +25% DPS, +25% velocity, -50% resists? I don't have a spreadsheet handy, so I'm just pulling numbers out of the air.

I like the idea of having the bonus and the penalty trigger on overheating, too. You had overheating rigs in the pipeline once. This might be a good time to revisit them.

The basic problem with these guns is that, in your effort to balance them, you've essentially made them run orthogonal to the logic governing the rest of the game:

They're brawler weapons, but they defeat remote and local repair, especially armor repair, and severely hamper buffer tanks. Without a tank, you can only brawl down noncombatant ships and any Interceptor you can catch--maybe. And by "noncombatant," I mean no weapons: a small ship fitted with these guns will die to an angry Retriever. Buffer tanks generally don't work too well with kiting, but neither do weapons with a 50% range penalty. Their penalty is optimally exploited by ships that have bad resists to begin with, but the price says to fit it to the kind of ships that tend to either have excellent resists or great potential as snipers or kiters, both of which roles the weapons defeat.

It's not obvious to me what you're trying to accomplish here. If I were you, I'd get a clean sheet of paper and think about maybe making this either a low-slot item, like a shield power relay crossed with a weapon upgrade, or a rig. Or, if it must be a high-slot weapon system, maybe clean-sheet that.

Did your cheap T-Rex have faction weapons on it? No? Because they're not cheap, right? These weapons are going to carry faction prices in the current design.

That's one of the problems I mentioned. The penalty says, "put these on a cheap ship!" because only the very newest players care if their Rupture gets ruptured. But these guns tend toward Incursion-bling pricey.



Yeah, they're pure brawling weapons, which means you're almost certainly in range of full tackle (scram + web), which means you're dead, and the Nereus that just killed you can loot your fancy guns and call it a payday.

I'm split. I kind of want them to be pricey, so they're not overused. At the same time I want to be able to afford them...

Not the Brutix. Except with gimmick fits using medium projectile or -laser weapons. Because I get the feeling CCP has completely forgotten to add the medium blaster weapons.

The one area where balancing on price kind of works, as CCP has mentioned, is suicide ganking. It doesn't prevent anyone from fitting an eight-figure Catalyst, but the guaranteed loss of the ship offers a strong disincentive to do so.

If the price is pitched too low, every gank Catalyst and Brutix and Talos in creation will immediately be fitted with these weapons. Maybe some of the autocannons will end up on gank Thrashers. And that will be about it.

Then why aren't they showing up in my client? I've looked over my market setting several times now, Polarized Heavy Neutron Blasters don't show up.

Have other people seen this problem turn up, too? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who can't test medium polarized blasters.

Yes I did. Several times. Things I also tried:

1. Logging in and out repeatedly. Problem persists across several days now.

2. Checking and un-checking the checkbox for the visibility of items not on the local market. Everything else not available appears and disappears like it should. (Also all other Polarized weapons are seeded on the market, so they aren't influenced by this, but I wanted to be thorough.)

3. Closing and opening the market-window several times. No change.

From my point of view I can only conclude polarized medium blasters aren't there.

I didn't see Polaris weapons in the patch notes. Did they get bumped to the next release?

So, I tested some polarized weapons know and my verdict:

Not impressed. Seriously, for neutralizing all your resists the weapons are simply too weak.

I've tested against some harmless rats and even though most of the time every rat died when I pointed the weapons at them, I was only marginally faster then with normal T2-blasters.

Now I could envision some weird PVP-setup where you pack your Arazu full with them, decloak right next to a surprised enemy and then paste him. The trouble with that is: Your DPS is far too low to pull this off, since you're practically helpless while doing this.

I can see someone try something similar with a Blackbird or a Falcon, since ECM is their first line of defense, anyway. Pilgrim is again the redheaded stepchild, thanks to being bonused for drones/neuts.

Of course, you could instead use normal T2-weapons in this way and could actually survive. Polarized weapons just push up your killmail-value.

Maybe someone could try a cloaky Zealot for the polarized pulse lasers, but this seems risky.

The large polarized seem to be all suicide, no gain. I guess you could at least use the turret-versions on battlecruisers like the Oracle and the torps on bombers.

All in all, I think this conecpt can work, but right now it's too niche. If they make those things buildable by dropping parts and BPCs in exploration, I think explorers will be the most disappointed.

To be useful, the weapons either need to get way more powerful, or the stupid 0-resist effects needs to get at least halved.

I did some math at work this night. For my style of fighting this is going to work really well. The weapons are for from under-powered. But using them in brawls or (most) PvE is probably not the way to go. I am fine with this as I think any new weapons should be edge cases and specializations for a special and narrow task. After all, weapons work fine as they are now. There is balance.

polarized weapons won't be in the phoebe release. so don't panic

They won't be accessible on launch day, but will be shortly after.
I am about to create a new thread on the forum about the new exploration site that you will be finding these weapons in.

The exploration site was delayed, but we are now ready to get feedback on it before we launch with it.